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	<title>Comments on: Silly applications of factoring quadratic polynomials</title>
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		<title>By: mbork</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, when I was at school, the quadratic formula was derived by completing the square; I can&#039;t remember whether and how the formula for the parabola vertex was derived. Nowadays, I&#039;m afraid, the formulae are just given to the students without justification-but I&#039;m not sure...

In fact, math syllabi in Poland tend to contain less things (and they are undergoing heavy changes these times), but the teachers are supposed to go in more depth - for instance, to solve atypical problems and to teach creative thinking. It is yet to be seen whether this approach will work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, when I was at school, the quadratic formula was derived by completing the square; I can&#8217;t remember whether and how the formula for the parabola vertex was derived. Nowadays, I&#8217;m afraid, the formulae are just given to the students without justification-but I&#8217;m not sure&#8230;</p>
<p>In fact, math syllabi in Poland tend to contain less things (and they are undergoing heavy changes these times), but the teachers are supposed to go in more depth &#8211; for instance, to solve atypical problems and to teach creative thinking. It is yet to be seen whether this approach will work.</p>
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		<title>By: TwoPi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps instead of factoring quadratics, we should be &lt;a href=&quot;http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/a-puzzle-equivalent-to-factoring-a-quadratic/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;solving graph theory puzzles&lt;/a&gt;!

(Isn&#039;t math the coolest?  That post at &lt;a href=&quot;http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Number Warrior&lt;/a&gt; is fantastic.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps instead of factoring quadratics, we should be <a href="http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/a-puzzle-equivalent-to-factoring-a-quadratic/" rel="nofollow">solving graph theory puzzles</a>!</p>
<p>(Isn&#8217;t math the coolest?  That post at <a href="http://numberwarrior.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">The Number Warrior</a> is fantastic.)</p>
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		<title>By: TwoPi</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mbork:  Very interesting.  In the US curriculum, completing the square is introduced first, and used as a means of deriving the quadratic formula and the formula for the vertex of a parabola.  How are those results derived in your approach?

When I was a student, completing the square was used quite a bit in analyzing quadratic equations in two variables (conic sections), but so far as I can tell all of that analytic geometry content has fallen out of our precalculus and calculus curricula.

Completing the square is still present in the integral calculus....  For example, in finding $latex \int \frac{1}{\sqrt{ x^2 + 4x + 5}} \; dx$, one typically starts by completing the square under the radical before either doing a trigonometric substitution or applying a table of integrals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mbork:  Very interesting.  In the US curriculum, completing the square is introduced first, and used as a means of deriving the quadratic formula and the formula for the vertex of a parabola.  How are those results derived in your approach?</p>
<p>When I was a student, completing the square was used quite a bit in analyzing quadratic equations in two variables (conic sections), but so far as I can tell all of that analytic geometry content has fallen out of our precalculus and calculus curricula.</p>
<p>Completing the square is still present in the integral calculus&#8230;.  For example, in finding <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cint+%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B%5Csqrt%7B+x%5E2+%2B+4x+%2B+5%7D%7D+%5C%3B+dx&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;int &#92;frac{1}{&#92;sqrt{ x^2 + 4x + 5}} &#92;; dx' title='&#92;int &#92;frac{1}{&#92;sqrt{ x^2 + 4x + 5}} &#92;; dx' class='latex' />, one typically starts by completing the square under the radical before either doing a trigonometric substitution or applying a table of integrals.</p>
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		<title>By: mbork</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Poland, the *only* method we teach to do quadratics is the quadratic formula. If a student is supposed to factorize a quadratic, he first finds the roots (using the formula) and then writes down the factorized form.

Also there *is* a problem with really everyday, not artificial, problems... A classical one is to maximize/minimize something using the formula for the vertex of a parabola - not really useful in everyday life, but somewhat closer;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Poland, the *only* method we teach to do quadratics is the quadratic formula. If a student is supposed to factorize a quadratic, he first finds the roots (using the formula) and then writes down the factorized form.</p>
<p>Also there *is* a problem with really everyday, not artificial, problems&#8230; A classical one is to maximize/minimize something using the formula for the vertex of a parabola &#8211; not really useful in everyday life, but somewhat closer;).</p>
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		<title>By: jd2718</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Translating the ugly descriptions in words into equations is a completely separate skill, a bit old-fashioned, that we still teach in pre-post.

And once we start teaching it, we reapply it to every new type of equation we encounter. It would be better not to bother with applications.

Actually, one of the nicer applications I&#039;ve encountered was an extended problem involving profit... We had cost per item + fixed cost, and as we raised the price the number of units sold fell... it came from an awful curriculum that I helped get thrown out of my district. (See &lt;a href=&#039;http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/i-was-once-in-a-math-war-skirmish-part-3-teaching-math-connections/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;

I still maintain that factoring &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt; has value and should be taught, but I don&#039;t know how much value that translation skill has.

Jonathan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Translating the ugly descriptions in words into equations is a completely separate skill, a bit old-fashioned, that we still teach in pre-post.</p>
<p>And once we start teaching it, we reapply it to every new type of equation we encounter. It would be better not to bother with applications.</p>
<p>Actually, one of the nicer applications I&#8217;ve encountered was an extended problem involving profit&#8230; We had cost per item + fixed cost, and as we raised the price the number of units sold fell&#8230; it came from an awful curriculum that I helped get thrown out of my district. (See <a href='http://jd2718.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/i-was-once-in-a-math-war-skirmish-part-3-teaching-math-connections/' rel="nofollow">this</a></p>
<p>I still maintain that factoring <i>per se</i> has value and should be taught, but I don&#8217;t know how much value that translation skill has.</p>
<p>Jonathan</p>
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