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		<title>Comment on Snowflakes by David Spector</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning snowflakes being &quot;essentially planar&quot;, what does that really mean? Nothing in nature is two-dimensional, including snowflakes. They have some degree of thickness. In the rare oblique pictures of snowflakes, there is interesting detail in that third dimension. This is never discussed.

Further, what constrains snowflakes to be so thin and so planar? When we do see a snowflake that has a sharp &quot;bend&quot;, why are the two portions of the snowflake individually almost planar?

Concerning the SA article, I think it is reasonable for it to state that temperature and humidity are the main factors in determining the pattern of a snowflake (although the best known explanation does omit humidity). But, concerning the global perfection of snowflake symmetry, this article is just as vague as all the other explanations I&#039;ve seen.

It&#039;s as though these professors want to prove that physics has a simple explanation for every phenomenon in nature, so they make up something that sounds plausible. On close inspection, all the explanations fall apart due to &quot;hand waving&quot; (a lack of rigor). They focus on supposedly relevant principles but omit a sufficient amount of actual explanation.

The part of this article that I believe is the statement that hydrogen bonds (proton-electron cloud attraction) cause a sixfold symmetry. The part I don&#039;t believe is that they also explain the fact that each of the six arms are identical (except for minor dislocations, which are always corrected).

The question remains: why is each arm virtually identical?
The answer to this specific question at http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-are-snowflakes-symmet isn&#039;t science. It basically says &quot;during formation of a snowflake, each adsorbed molecule of water must go in one and only one place due to electrical attraction and repulsion.&quot; This begs the question entirely. I&#039;m shocked to see such a pseudoscientific statement published by SA.

I admit that crystalline structures have been well understood for many years. But the familiar case of solid crystals growing in liquid don&#039;t make &quot;arms&quot; like snowflakes. Can all crystals growing by adsorption in a cold fog make arm patterns, or is this restricted to water?

And what causes the corrections of dislocations?

Maybe it&#039;s time for physicists to admit that they don&#039;t really know and are unwilling to experiment sufficiently to discover the reason?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning snowflakes being &#8220;essentially planar&#8221;, what does that really mean? Nothing in nature is two-dimensional, including snowflakes. They have some degree of thickness. In the rare oblique pictures of snowflakes, there is interesting detail in that third dimension. This is never discussed.</p>
<p>Further, what constrains snowflakes to be so thin and so planar? When we do see a snowflake that has a sharp &#8220;bend&#8221;, why are the two portions of the snowflake individually almost planar?</p>
<p>Concerning the SA article, I think it is reasonable for it to state that temperature and humidity are the main factors in determining the pattern of a snowflake (although the best known explanation does omit humidity). But, concerning the global perfection of snowflake symmetry, this article is just as vague as all the other explanations I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s as though these professors want to prove that physics has a simple explanation for every phenomenon in nature, so they make up something that sounds plausible. On close inspection, all the explanations fall apart due to &#8220;hand waving&#8221; (a lack of rigor). They focus on supposedly relevant principles but omit a sufficient amount of actual explanation.</p>
<p>The part of this article that I believe is the statement that hydrogen bonds (proton-electron cloud attraction) cause a sixfold symmetry. The part I don&#8217;t believe is that they also explain the fact that each of the six arms are identical (except for minor dislocations, which are always corrected).</p>
<p>The question remains: why is each arm virtually identical?<br />
The answer to this specific question at <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-are-snowflakes-symmet" rel="nofollow">http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-are-snowflakes-symmet</a> isn&#8217;t science. It basically says &#8220;during formation of a snowflake, each adsorbed molecule of water must go in one and only one place due to electrical attraction and repulsion.&#8221; This begs the question entirely. I&#8217;m shocked to see such a pseudoscientific statement published by SA.</p>
<p>I admit that crystalline structures have been well understood for many years. But the familiar case of solid crystals growing in liquid don&#8217;t make &#8220;arms&#8221; like snowflakes. Can all crystals growing by adsorption in a cold fog make arm patterns, or is this restricted to water?</p>
<p>And what causes the corrections of dislocations?</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time for physicists to admit that they don&#8217;t really know and are unwilling to experiment sufficiently to discover the reason?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Second Bunch of Ways to Multiply by Ξ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ξ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not quite sure what you mean by 3, 4, 5, 6 digits on them.  In the example I was multiplying a 4-digit number by a 3-digit number:  essentially you just do one digit at a time (the 4-digit number times one digit at a time) and then add them.  The bones don&#039;t need to have more than one digit on them, because you put them together [though you might need several sets if your number has several of the same digit].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not quite sure what you mean by 3, 4, 5, 6 digits on them.  In the example I was multiplying a 4-digit number by a 3-digit number:  essentially you just do one digit at a time (the 4-digit number times one digit at a time) and then add them.  The bones don&#8217;t need to have more than one digit on them, because you put them together [though you might need several sets if your number has several of the same digit].</p>
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		<title>Comment on Multidigit multiplication: vertically and crosswise by camille</title>
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		<dc:creator>camille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TRULY FASCINATING...AND IT HAS BEEN A GREAT HELP FOR MY MATH PROJECT... HOPE YOU&#039;LL DISPLAY MORE :D</description>
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		<title>Comment on Rock, Paper, Scissors&#8230; by Ξ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ξ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, umm, that happened because my brain turns off after about 8pm.  Sotheby&#039;s picked paper, not rock.  Thanks for pointing that out!

I&#039;m intrigued by the commutative/associative comment but I&#039;m not quite sure what you mean by it.  What aspect are you thinking of [I can think of non-associative ideas, but they&#039;re also not commutative, unless you mean that with two items it&#039;s always clear unless it&#039;s a tie, but with 3 it matters which pair goes first.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, umm, that happened because my brain turns off after about 8pm.  Sotheby&#8217;s picked paper, not rock.  Thanks for pointing that out!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m intrigued by the commutative/associative comment but I&#8217;m not quite sure what you mean by it.  What aspect are you thinking of [I can think of non-associative ideas, but they're also not commutative, unless you mean that with two items it's always clear unless it's a tie, but with 3 it matters which pair goes first.]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rock, Paper, Scissors&#8230; by Kate Nowak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Nowak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but I&#039;m confused. How was Sotheby&#039;s rock beaten by Christie&#039;s scissors? Rock beats scissors. 

I thought you were going in a completely different direction with this, namely, that RPS makes a good example of commutative but not associative!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I&#8217;m confused. How was Sotheby&#8217;s rock beaten by Christie&#8217;s scissors? Rock beats scissors. </p>
<p>I thought you were going in a completely different direction with this, namely, that RPS makes a good example of commutative but not associative!  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Two things I don&#8217;t know by Ξ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ξ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Shreevatsa!  That&#039;s what I was looking for [and feel like I should have found -- I made the mistake of using Google didn&#039;t think of Google books until I&#039;d already been searching for a while]!  I&#039;m happy to see that it looks pretty much identical to Knuth&#039;s signs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Shreevatsa!  That&#8217;s what I was looking for [and feel like I should have found -- I made the mistake of using Google didn't think of Google books until I'd already been searching for a while]!  I&#8217;m happy to see that it looks pretty much identical to Knuth&#8217;s signs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Two things I don&#8217;t know by Shreevatsa</title>
		<link>http://threesixty360.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/two-things-i-dont-know/#comment-10110</link>
		<dc:creator>Shreevatsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 04:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible that both Bourbaki&#039;s and Knuth&#039;s symbols are inspired by actual signs in the real world: Knuth is known to be &lt;a href=&quot;http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/diamondsigns/diam.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interested in diamond-shaped road signs&lt;/a&gt;.

The Bourbaki symbol seems very similar but slightly different in orientation, see e.g. &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=bDLecF34d8UC&amp;pg=PP8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=brSYF_rB2ZcC&amp;pg=PR6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt;. (Both are translations, so there is a small probability that the French originals were typeset differently.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible that both Bourbaki&#8217;s and Knuth&#8217;s symbols are inspired by actual signs in the real world: Knuth is known to be <a href="http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/diamondsigns/diam.html" rel="nofollow">interested in diamond-shaped road signs</a>.</p>
<p>The Bourbaki symbol seems very similar but slightly different in orientation, see e.g. <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=bDLecF34d8UC&amp;pg=PP8" rel="nofollow">this page</a> or <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=brSYF_rB2ZcC&amp;pg=PR6" rel="nofollow">this page</a>. (Both are translations, so there is a small probability that the French originals were typeset differently.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Calculus from Washington by Two things I don&#8217;t know &#171; 360</title>
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		<dc:creator>Two things I don&#8217;t know &#171; 360</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 360 12 tables, 24 chairs, and plenty of chalk      &#171; Calculus from&#160;Washington [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Mystery of the Fibonacci Pumpkin by Brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It definitely is strange!  And yes, flowers and fruits usually do display the same symmetry.  I don&#039;t know about the particular case of bananas, I had never heard the thing about them being triploid before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It definitely is strange!  And yes, flowers and fruits usually do display the same symmetry.  I don&#8217;t know about the particular case of bananas, I had never heard the thing about them being triploid before.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Mystery of the Fibonacci Pumpkin by Ξ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ξ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect it&#039;s artificial too, but I think it&#039;s strange.

Is it the case that flowers display the same symmetry as their fruits?  I looked up banana flowers, but they look more like artichokes so that wasn&#039;t revealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect it&#8217;s artificial too, but I think it&#8217;s strange.</p>
<p>Is it the case that flowers display the same symmetry as their fruits?  I looked up banana flowers, but they look more like artichokes so that wasn&#8217;t revealing.</p>
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